no cd key vista

How do I get a key? the first time I did not print the screen the 2nd time I did print it but no key was printed ou just a yellow box ???? and now it tells me I have recive d the max keys allowed?
and all thi s after I cleand out a H D just for vista an d had to burn the dam dvd 4 times before it would work now I cant get a key to try it out#@!@#
ANd I have recive d no e-mails from ms witha key in it!
Yet another BLANK UP from Microsoft when will we learn?
Screw Microsoft I am going to install linux mandrake V10.1 on that HD I cleaned out...I dont have time to play there games I have wasted enough time all ready...
Wish I had $$ for a MAC then I could trash MS once and for all!!!!!

Let me see. You went to the Microsoft site, signed up to download the beta. Microsoft issued you a key, yet you chose NOT to write it down??? Microsoft should have I believe also sent you an E-Mail with the key shown in the E-Mail. What did you do with that E-Mail??? Then you went back to the Microsoft site, went through the same process, but again you chose NOT to write the key down. You DID however remember to print the screen. However it sounds like before you checked your rintout (and realized it didn't print the number in the box, you navigated away from that screen. Ooops.
Now, after the multiple mistakes you made, you decide that it's all Microsoft's fault????
Why don't you just hurry up and order the Beta on DVD? It usually arives with 7-10 days, and not only will it come with a key that's already printed on a lable, but by ordering the Beta-2 on DVD, you would get the RC1 version automatically shipped to you at no additional cost when it's released.

"James" wrote in message

How do I get a key? the first time I did not print the screen the 2nd time I did print it but no key was printed ou just a yellow box ???? and now it tells me I have recive d the max keys allowed?
and all thi s after I cleand out a H D just for vista an d had to burn the dam dvd 4 times before it would work now I cant get a key to try it out#@!@#
ANd I have recive d no e-mails from ms witha key in it!
Yet another BLANK UP from Microsoft when will we learn?
Screw Microsoft I am going to install linux mandrake V10.1 on that HD I cleaned out...I dont have time to play there games I have wasted enough time all ready...
Wish I had $$ for a MAC then I could trash MS once and for all!!!!!

"James" wrote in message

How do I get a key? the first time I did not print the screen the 2nd time I did print it but no key was printed ou just a yellow box ????

Same thing when I printed mine out. Fortunately I noticed that it didn't print the Product Key, and I wrote it down by hand on the printout.
Do you still have the option of ordering the CD?

and now it tells me I have recive d the max keys allowed?
and all thi s after I cleand out a H D just for vista an d had to burn the dam dvd 4 times before it would work now I cant get a key to try it out#@!@#
ANd I have recive d no e-mails from ms witha key in it!

I didn't get the e-mail either. Later I heard that the e-mails got caught in Verizon's spam filter. By any chance is your e-mail provider Verizon?

Yet another BLANK UP from Microsoft when will we learn?
Screw Microsoft I am going to install linux mandrake V10.1 on that HD I cleaned out...I dont have time to play there games I have wasted enough time all ready...
Wish I had $$ for a MAC then I could trash MS once and for all!!!!!

First I down loaded it the first time and went off 2 work..Some of us e have to work on like bill gates....and Guess what a automatic update from xp was installed and rebooted my PC...so I did not have the key. I went and got it a 2nd time printed it out but yes I did not look at it for 3 days as I just did not have time ....
And when I did have time I see that for some reasion every thing but they key was printed??? ANd I hav e recive d no E-mail from microsoft I looked in my junk e-mail folder but nothing!
And I see no reasion to pay Billy boy 1 more BLANKING CENT!
so windows vista can go "Asta la Vista" Have fun crashing your systems I have wasted to much time all ready on windowz I am going to convert to eaither linux or a Mac ..if i can scrape up the $$$ for on e that is...

It's people like you who employ thousands of tech supports...

"Migraine" wrote in message

First I down loaded it the first time and went off 2 work..Some of us e have to work on like bill gates....and Guess what a automatic update from xp was installed and rebooted my PC...so I did not have the key.
I went and got it a 2nd time printed it out but yes I did not look at it for 3 days as I just did not have time ....
And when I did have time I see that for some reasion every thing but they key was printed???
ANd I hav e recive d no E-mail from microsoft I looked in my junk e-mail folder but nothing!
And I see no reasion to pay Billy boy 1 more BLANKING CENT!
so windows vista can go "Asta la Vista"
Have fun crashing your systems I have wasted to much time all ready on windowz I am going to convert to eaither linux or a Mac ..if i can scrape up the $$$ for on e that is...

LOL - this is really funny. I have the unfortunate recurring experience of working with someone who has a Mac. Yep, he has Microsoft Word for Mac, and every time the rest of us e-mail him a script and he runs it through his Crapple, the script comes back all screwed up.
So, get your Mac - they're really nice toys.
Now, if you can't write down a product key, forget Linux. Even Suse Linux 10, which is billed as one of the easiest-to-use desktop distros, is full of command line installation requirements. I needed forum assistance just to get the correct command line syntax to load the Linux driver for my nVidia video card.
I played around with Linux for about 6 months. Vista is on the partition where it used to be. IMO, Vista is going to be great. Aero Glass is awesome. Then again, you have to have a video card that supports Aero Glass. You better write that down.
"Migraine" wrote in message

First I down loaded it the first time and went off 2 work..Some of us e have to work on like bill gates....and Guess what a automatic update from xp was installed and rebooted my PC...so I did not have the key.
I went and got it a 2nd time printed it out but yes I did not look at it for 3 days as I just did not have time ....
And when I did have time I see that for some reasion every thing but they key was printed???
ANd I hav e recive d no E-mail from microsoft I looked in my junk e-mail folder but nothing!
And I see no reasion to pay Billy boy 1 more BLANKING CENT!
so windows vista can go "Asta la Vista"
Have fun crashing your systems I have wasted to much time all ready on windowz I am going to convert to eaither linux or a Mac ..if i can scrape up the $$$ for on e that is...

Ok I admint I am stressed out I have had a bad week....
I did take your advice and ordered the dvd but only becaus e u sai d they will send me the RC1 .....
2nd I signed on with a 2nd e-mail to get the key
3rd yet again it wil not print the txt every thing but the cd key but I copied and pasted it to a txt file.
but no luck ..vista tells me that files need to boot system can not be found it s for my Harddrive controller...and asked me if I still want to install I told it no.
So Quest can I use xp drivers? Q2 I am installing to the D:\ drive as not to mess up my xp setup..I asume it will set up a multi boot so I can get in to xp or vista? migraine@knology.net

"Migraine" wrote in message

Ok I admint I am stressed out I have had a bad week....
I did take your advice and ordered the dvd but only becaus e u sai d they will send me the RC1 .....
2nd I signed on with a 2nd e-mail to get the key
3rd yet again it wil not print the txt every thing but the cd key but I copied and pasted it to a txt file.
but no luck ..vista tells me that files need to boot system can not be found it s for my Harddrive controller...and asked me if I still want to install I told it no.
So Quest can I use xp drivers?
Q2 I am installing to the D:\ drive as not to mess up my xp setup..I asume it will set up a multi boot so I can get in to xp or vista?
migraine@knology.net

If your hard drive(s) are SATA then you have to load the drivers when installing. Search through the forum for how to's on that.
Vista will set up a rudimentary boot manager that will give you a dual-boot scenario.

:)
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

It's people like you who employ thousands of tech supports...

"Migraine" wrote in message First I down loaded it the first time and went off 2 work..Some of us e have to work on like bill gates....and Guess what a automatic update from xp was installed and rebooted my PC...so I did not have the key.
I went and got it a 2nd time printed it out but yes I did not look at it for 3 days as I just did not have time ....
And when I did have time I see that for some reasion every thing but they key was printed???
ANd I hav e recive d no E-mail from microsoft I looked in my junk e-mail folder but nothing!
And I see no reasion to pay Billy boy 1 more BLANKING CENT!
so windows vista can go "Asta la Vista"
Have fun crashing your systems I have wasted to much time all ready on windowz I am going to convert to eaither linux or a Mac ..if i can scrape up the $$$ for on e that is...

Correct, if you manage to get it installed, it will dual-boot XP & Vista. At least on my computer, Vista is set as the default. Always install Vista after XP. "Migraine" wrote in message

Ok I admint I am stressed out I have had a bad week....
I did take your advice and ordered the dvd but only becaus e u sai d they will send me the RC1 .....
2nd I signed on with a 2nd e-mail to get the key
3rd yet again it wil not print the txt every thing but the cd key but I copied and pasted it to a txt file.
but no luck ..vista tells me that files need to boot system can not be found it s for my Harddrive controller...and asked me if I still want to install I told it no.
So Quest can I use xp drivers?
Q2 I am installing to the D:\ drive as not to mess up my xp setup..I asume it will set up a multi boot so I can get in to xp or vista?
migraine@knology.net

Don't be so quick to criticize the Mac. I'm using both OS/X and XP Pro on a MacBook Pro and it is impressive stuff.
"Joe727" wrote in message

LOL - this is really funny. I have the unfortunate recurring experience of working with someone who has a Mac. Yep, he has Microsoft Word for Mac, and every time the rest of us e-mail him a script and he runs it through his Crapple, the script comes back all screwed up.
So, get your Mac - they're really nice toys.
Now, if you can't write down a product key, forget Linux. Even Suse Linux 10, which is billed as one of the easiest-to-use desktop distros, is full of command line installation requirements. I needed forum assistance just to get the correct command line syntax to load the Linux driver for my nVidia video card.
I played around with Linux for about 6 months. Vista is on the partition where it used to be. IMO, Vista is going to be great. Aero Glass is awesome. Then again, you have to have a video card that supports Aero Glass. You better write that down.
"Migraine" wrote in message First I down loaded it the first time and went off 2 work..Some of us e have to work on like bill gates....and Guess what a automatic update from xp was installed and rebooted my PC...so I did not have the key.
I went and got it a 2nd time printed it out but yes I did not look at it for 3 days as I just did not have time ....
And when I did have time I see that for some reasion every thing but they key was printed???
ANd I hav e recive d no E-mail from microsoft I looked in my junk e-mail folder but nothing!
And I see no reasion to pay Billy boy 1 more BLANKING CENT!
so windows vista can go "Asta la Vista"
Have fun crashing your systems I have wasted to much time all ready on windowz I am going to convert to eaither linux or a Mac ..if i can scrape up the $$$ for on e that is...

For office-type business applications a Mac is crap.
Joe
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Don't be so quick to criticize the Mac. I'm using both OS/X and XP Pro on a MacBook Pro and it is impressive stuff.
"Joe727" wrote in message LOL - this is really funny. I have the unfortunate recurring experience of working with someone who has a Mac. Yep, he has Microsoft Word for Mac, and every time the rest of us e-mail him a script and he runs it through his Crapple, the script comes back all screwed up.
So, get your Mac - they're really nice toys.
Now, if you can't write down a product key, forget Linux. Even Suse Linux 10, which is billed as one of the easiest-to-use desktop distros, is full of command line installation requirements. I needed forum assistance just to get the correct command line syntax to load the Linux driver for my nVidia video card.
I played around with Linux for about 6 months. Vista is on the partition where it used to be. IMO, Vista is going to be great. Aero Glass is awesome. Then again, you have to have a video card that supports Aero Glass. You better write that down.
"Migraine" wrote in message First I down loaded it the first time and went off 2 work..Some of us e have to work on like bill gates....and Guess what a automatic update from xp was installed and rebooted my PC...so I did not have the key.
I went and got it a 2nd time printed it out but yes I did not look at it for 3 days as I just did not have time ....
And when I did have time I see that for some reasion every thing but they key was printed???
ANd I hav e recive d no E-mail from microsoft I looked in my junk e-mail folder but nothing!
And I see no reasion to pay Billy boy 1 more BLANKING CENT!
so windows vista can go "Asta la Vista"
Have fun crashing your systems I have wasted to much time all ready on windowz I am going to convert to eaither linux or a Mac ..if i can scrape up the $$$ for on e that is...

Migraine wrote:

First I down loaded it the first time and went off 2 work..Some of us e have to work on like bill gates....and Guess what a automatic update from xp was installed and rebooted my PC...so I did not have the key.
I went and got it a 2nd time printed it out but yes I did not look at it for 3 days as I just did not have time ....
And when I did have time I see that for some reasion every thing but they key was printed???
ANd I hav e recive d no E-mail from microsoft I looked in my junk e-mail folder but nothing!
And I see no reasion to pay Billy boy 1 more BLANKING CENT!
so windows vista can go "Asta la Vista"
Have fun crashing your systems I have wasted to much time all ready on windowz I am going to convert to eaither linux or a Mac ..if i can scrape up the $$$ for on e that is...

What country are you from?

Microsoft Office debuted on Mac. It came to the PC second. While that is just a triva question now some 15 years later, it is not fair to say business apps are crapola. This "my computer is better than your computer" stuff is immature.
"Joe727" wrote in message

For office-type business applications a Mac is crap.
Joe
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Don't be so quick to criticize the Mac. I'm using both OS/X and XP Pro on a MacBook Pro and it is impressive stuff.
"Joe727" wrote in message LOL - this is really funny. I have the unfortunate recurring experience of working with someone who has a Mac. Yep, he has Microsoft Word for Mac, and every time the rest of us e-mail him a script and he runs it through his Crapple, the script comes back all screwed up.
So, get your Mac - they're really nice toys.
Now, if you can't write down a product key, forget Linux. Even Suse Linux 10, which is billed as one of the easiest-to-use desktop distros, is full of command line installation requirements. I needed forum assistance just to get the correct command line syntax to load the Linux driver for my nVidia video card.
I played around with Linux for about 6 months. Vista is on the partition where it used to be. IMO, Vista is going to be great. Aero Glass is awesome. Then again, you have to have a video card that supports Aero Glass. You better write that down.
"Migraine" wrote in message First I down loaded it the first time and went off 2 work..Some of us e have to work on like bill gates....and Guess what a automatic update from xp was installed and rebooted my PC...so I did not have the key.
I went and got it a 2nd time printed it out but yes I did not look at it for 3 days as I just did not have time ....
And when I did have time I see that for some reasion every thing but they key was printed???
ANd I hav e recive d no E-mail from microsoft I looked in my junk e-mail folder but nothing!
And I see no reasion to pay Billy boy 1 more BLANKING CENT!
so windows vista can go "Asta la Vista"
Have fun crashing your systems I have wasted to much time all ready on windowz I am going to convert to eaither linux or a Mac ..if i can scrape up the $$$ for on e that is...

Well at least you have a working Product Key. You need to supply a hard drive controller driver using the Load Drivers button on the setup screen. You need to find the software for your computer and find the driver that came with it (or with the motherboard if you put the system together yourself).
"Migraine" wrote in message

Ok I admint I am stressed out I have had a bad week....
I did take your advice and ordered the dvd but only becaus e u sai d they will send me the RC1 .....
2nd I signed on with a 2nd e-mail to get the key
3rd yet again it wil not print the txt every thing but the cd key but I copied and pasted it to a txt file.
but no luck ..vista tells me that files need to boot system can not be found it s for my Harddrive controller...and asked me if I still want to install I told it no.
So Quest can I use xp drivers?
Q2 I am installing to the D:\ drive as not to mess up my xp setup..I asume it will set up a multi boot so I can get in to xp or vista?
migraine@knology.net

The last Windows installed will be the default (but can be changed) because Setup makes it the default so that the reboots during installation will boot the right system and installation can continue. You can set a new default with VistaBootPro and use more descriptive names than "Windows".
"Travis King" wrote in message

Correct, if you manage to get it installed, it will dual-boot XP & Vista. At least on my computer, Vista is set as the default. Always install Vista after XP. "Migraine" wrote in message
Ok I admint I am stressed out I have had a bad week....
I did take your advice and ordered the dvd but only becaus e u sai d they will send me the RC1 .....
2nd I signed on with a 2nd e-mail to get the key
3rd yet again it wil not print the txt every thing but the cd key but I copied and pasted it to a txt file.
but no luck ..vista tells me that files need to boot system can not be found it s for my Harddrive controller...and asked me if I still want to install I told it no.
So Quest can I use xp drivers?
Q2 I am installing to the D:\ drive as not to mess up my xp setup..I asume it will set up a multi boot so I can get in to xp or vista?
migraine@knology.net

I know you are but what am I?
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Microsoft Office debuted on Mac. It came to the PC second. While that is just a triva question now some 15 years later, it is not fair to say business apps are crapola. This "my computer is better than your computer" stuff is immature.

All I reported is my experience with Macs in a business environment.
Joe
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Microsoft Office debuted on Mac. It came to the PC second. While that is just a triva question now some 15 years later, it is not fair to say business apps are crapola. This "my computer is better than your computer" stuff is immature.
"Joe727" wrote in message For office-type business applications a Mac is crap.
Joe
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Don't be so quick to criticize the Mac. I'm using both OS/X and XP Pro on a MacBook Pro and it is impressive stuff.
"Joe727" wrote in message LOL - this is really funny. I have the unfortunate recurring experience of working with someone who has a Mac. Yep, he has Microsoft Word for Mac, and every time the rest of us e-mail him a script and he runs it through his Crapple, the script comes back all screwed up.
So, get your Mac - they're really nice toys.
Now, if you can't write down a product key, forget Linux. Even Suse Linux 10, which is billed as one of the easiest-to-use desktop distros, is full of command line installation requirements. I needed forum assistance just to get the correct command line syntax to load the Linux driver for my nVidia video card.
I played around with Linux for about 6 months. Vista is on the partition where it used to be. IMO, Vista is going to be great. Aero Glass is awesome. Then again, you have to have a video card that supports Aero Glass. You better write that down.
"Migraine" wrote in message First I down loaded it the first time and went off 2 work..Some of us e have to work on like bill gates....and Guess what a automatic update from xp was installed and rebooted my PC...so I did not have the key.
I went and got it a 2nd time printed it out but yes I did not look at it for 3 days as I just did not have time ....
And when I did have time I see that for some reasion every thing but they key was printed???
ANd I hav e recive d no E-mail from microsoft I looked in my junk e-mail folder but nothing!
And I see no reasion to pay Billy boy 1 more BLANKING CENT!
so windows vista can go "Asta la Vista"
Have fun crashing your systems I have wasted to much time all ready on windowz I am going to convert to eaither linux or a Mac ..if i can scrape up the $$$ for on e that is...

Baa Haa Haa!
It's painfully obvious their attention to detail is a bit lacking. They don't take the time to read much of anything... instructions or printouts. And then they threaten with going to Linux?! *snicker* Oh, I can just imagine how well THAT would go down. *wicked laugh*
Dave "Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

It's people like you who employ thousands of tech supports...

"Migraine" wrote in message First I down loaded it the first time and went off 2 work..Some of us e have to work on like bill gates....and Guess what a automatic update from xp was installed and rebooted my PC...so I did not have the key.
I went and got it a 2nd time printed it out but yes I did not look at it for 3 days as I just did not have time ....
And when I did have time I see that for some reasion every thing but they key was printed???
ANd I hav e recive d no E-mail from microsoft I looked in my junk e-mail folder but nothing!
And I see no reasion to pay Billy boy 1 more BLANKING CENT!
so windows vista can go "Asta la Vista"
Have fun crashing your systems I have wasted to much time all ready on windowz I am going to convert to eaither linux or a Mac ..if i can scrape up the $$$ for on e that is...

Microsoft Office debuted on Mac. It came to the PC second.

Hi, Colin. A little more Office trivia.
Microsoft Excel first came out on the Mac in 1985, followed by Windows versions in 1987, as you stated. However, Microsoft Word first was introduced for MS-DOS in 1983, followed by the Mac in 1985. I remember using the MS-DOS version of Word. It had a funky UI and was highly unsuccessful against WordPerfect at the time.
So, in terms of Office applications, MS-DOS was first. :-)
The first real "bundle" of Office applications (Word, Excel, etc.) called "Microsoft Office" was indeed released for the Mac in 1990, followed by Windows in 1992.
-Reed Rinn MVP Shell / User

I knew somebody was going to pick up on Word. That's why I was careful to say Office. Remember Microsoft Multiplan? In 1983 my favs were Multiplan, WordStar, and DB2 (there never was a DB1). I just couldn't afford Lotus 1-2-3 at the time.
"Reed [MVP]" wrote in message

Microsoft Office debuted on Mac. It came to the PC second.
Hi, Colin. A little more Office trivia.
Microsoft Excel first came out on the Mac in 1985, followed by Windows versions in 1987, as you stated. However, Microsoft Word first was introduced for MS-DOS in 1983, followed by the Mac in 1985. I remember using the MS-DOS version of Word. It had a funky UI and was highly unsuccessful against WordPerfect at the time.
So, in terms of Office applications, MS-DOS was first. :-)
The first real "bundle" of Office applications (Word, Excel, etc.) called "Microsoft Office" was indeed released for the Mac in 1990, followed by Windows in 1992.
-Reed Rinn MVP Shell / User

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:12:01 -0700, James wrote:

How do I get a key? the first time I did not print the screen the 2nd time I did print it but no key was printed ou just a yellow box ???? and now it tells me I have recive d the max keys allowed?
and all thi s after I cleand out a H D just for vista an d had to burn the dam dvd 4 times before it would work now I cant get a key to try it out#@!@#
ANd I have recive d no e-mails from ms witha key in it! Checked Hotmail online?
Yet another BLANK UP from Microsoft when will we learn?
Screw Microsoft I am going to install linux mandrake V10.1 on that HD I cleaned out...I dont have time to play there games I have wasted enough time all ready...

Go ahead install Mandrake, that will be a good laugh you can't even write down a CD key you are going to have a nightmare with Mandrake. SuSE is eassier but still demands intelignce and experience.

Wish I had $$ for a MAC then I could trash MS once and for all!!!!!

Best option for you - get a MAC they are ok.
Jonah

1983 I bought an Apple Lisa with the 7/7 software suite: Write, Draw, List, Calc all loaded, along with the O/S, on a 10MB hard drive. 2400 baud modem, GUI with a mouse, ImageWriter printer, the whole shebang! Cost $5000. Still have it. Still works.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message I knew somebody was going to pick up on Word. That's why I was careful to say Office. Remember Microsoft Multiplan? In 1983 my favs were Multiplan, WordStar, and DB2 (there never was a DB1). I just couldn't afford Lotus 1-2-3 at the time.
"Reed [MVP]" wrote in message

Microsoft Office debuted on Mac. It came to the PC second.
Hi, Colin. A little more Office trivia.
Microsoft Excel first came out on the Mac in 1985, followed by Windows versions in 1987, as you stated. However, Microsoft Word first was introduced for MS-DOS in 1983, followed by the Mac in 1985. I remember using the MS-DOS version of Word. It had a funky UI and was highly unsuccessful against WordPerfect at the time.
So, in terms of Office applications, MS-DOS was first. :-)
The first real "bundle" of Office applications (Word, Excel, etc.) called "Microsoft Office" was indeed released for the Mac in 1990, followed by Windows in 1992.
-Reed Rinn MVP Shell / User

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Microsoft Office debuted on Mac. It came to the PC second. While that is just a triva question now some 15 years later, it is not fair to say business apps are crapola. This "my computer is better than your computer" stuff is immature.

Well, ensuring compatibility between different Office versions has always required additional effort... on Macs or PCs. To say Mac is crap when discussing office-type business apps is like saying open source is irrelevant. It's an emotional stance with little practical assessment.
Dave

They are OK. But just OK. My MacBook Pro is interesting. Also runs very hot. I leave it on at night and in the morning I pour waffle batter over the keyboard and slam the lid down. Two minutes later I am surfing the net and eating breakfast.
Now, if only I can figure out how to get the indentations on both sides....
"jonah" wrote in message

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:12:01 -0700, James James@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
How do I get a key? the first time I did not print the screen the 2nd time I did print it but no key was printed ou just a yellow box ???? and now it tells me I have recive d the max keys allowed?
and all thi s after I cleand out a H D just for vista an d had to burn the dam dvd 4 times before it would work now I cant get a key to try it out#@!@#
ANd I have recive d no e-mails from ms witha key in it! Checked Hotmail online?
Yet another BLANK UP from Microsoft when will we learn?
Screw Microsoft I am going to install linux mandrake V10.1 on that HD I cleaned out...I dont have time to play there games I have wasted enough time all ready...
Go ahead install Mandrake, that will be a good laugh you can't even write down a CD key you are going to have a nightmare with Mandrake. SuSE is eassier but still demands intelignce and experience.
Wish I had $$ for a MAC then I could trash MS once and for all!!!!!
Best option for you - get a MAC they are ok.
Jonah

"Daibidh" wrote in message

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Microsoft Office debuted on Mac. It came to the PC second. While that is just a triva question now some 15 years later, it is not fair to say business apps are crapola. This "my computer is better than your computer" stuff is immature.
Well, ensuring compatibility between different Office versions has always required additional effort... on Macs or PCs. To say Mac is crap when discussing office-type business apps is like saying open source is irrelevant. It's an emotional stance with little practical assessment.
Dave

You might have a point. After all, 3 percent of the world's computing population can't be wrong.
Joe

"Joe727" wrote in message

You might have a point. After all, 3 percent of the world's computing population can't be wrong.

*laugh* Like I said, emotional. Safety in numbers, eh?

"Daibidh" wrote in message

"Joe727" wrote in message You might have a point. After all, 3 percent of the world's computing population can't be wrong.
*laugh* Like I said, emotional. Safety in numbers, eh?

That number is a cold, hard, fact.
Joe

Q2 I am installing to the D:\ drive as not to mess up my xp setup..I asume it will set up a multi boot so I can get in to xp or vista?
migraine@knology.net
If your hard drive(s) are SATA then you have to load the drivers when installing. Search through the forum for how to's on that.

Vista will set up a rudimentary boot manager that will give you a dual-boot scenario.
no not on this older system they are PATA but I have a 3rd party HD

controller so I could use drives bigger than 160gigs ....
Can I use the xp drivers for it?
Thanks on the info about the multi-boot did not know if vista would do that...

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

The last Windows installed will be the default (but can be changed) because Setup makes it the default so that the reboots during installation will boot the right system and installation can continue. You can set a new default with VistaBootPro and use more descriptive names than "Windows".
Thanks for the info now I just have to know if I can us e the same xp pro

driver s for my PATA HD controller ....

"Joe727" wrote in message

That number is a cold, hard, fact.

*Big Friendly Grin*
Oh, that much is certain. I'm just saying those of us who actually USE Macs on a regular basis know there are some things that just don't reflect the market share realities. Why did VHS win out over BetaMax? Sure VHS had longer available record times but Beta had a superior picture. Quantity over quality? Dumb luck or dumb public? I think marketing historians have over analyzed that one from every conceivable angle for years. So why the meteoric rise of Windows? Was OS/2 and the MacIntosh really gigantic pieces of crapola? Maybe one was poorly marketed and the other wholly overpriced? *laughing* Market share does not always reflect "better" which, by the way, is still a highly subjective frame of mind.
To say something is crap just because it doesn't embody seamless compatibility is silly. Those of us accustomed to mixed environments know the little ins and outs to the whole file format/macro mess. You do realize that's exactly how Microsoft intended it to be, right? You see it even within Windows versions of their software. Designed obsolescence; why else would we buy into the whole "endless upgrades" concept? This is why Microsoft was so resistant to the OpenDocument format.
We all know the competitive model always works out best in the long run. I am gratified to see the inroads the Linux operation system has made in recent years. The concept of choice is slowly returning to the PC consciousness. Apple's decision to cross the processor divide has brought increased performance, more competitive prices, and a greater sense of familiarity to the point where PC die-hards are actually contemplating the possibility. Linux and Mac have been keen to capitalize on function and form, respectively. Throw into the mix an ever increasing interest in open source standards and you might just have a critical mass situation where the "alternatives" actually gain an influential foot hold.
With the sizable resources of Microsoft and the innovative pressures of some actual competition, I foresee a bright future for consumers. Vista has the potential to combine the compatibility and familiarity of the Windows OS with the elegance of OSX and the perceived security of Unix/Linux. That would certainly shut the competition up. I've been pleased so far in this Beta but I'm thinking it really hasn't gone far enough... yet. I do have my fingers crossed.
Dave

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

Well at least you have a working Product Key. You need to supply a hard drive controller driver using the Load Drivers button on the setup screen. You need to find the software for your computer and find the driver that came with it (or with the motherboard if you put the system together yourself).
Yes I know how to do that ...I just was not sure if I could use xp pro

drivers for my HD controller card ...But from what u said It sounds like I can ..so tomarow I will give it a try...I work nights so it s all most time to get some sleep. PS Thanks to every one for the help..sorry if I first sounded like a crazy person ..this has just not been a good week....... I hope buy this time SUN to be running vista....
Thanks again for your info.

"Todd" wrote:
Well first I was kind out of it the other day sorry....
I signed up witha different e-mail to get they key and pasted it to a txt file this time...
and no I use knology as my high speed provider and there e-mail service and allso gmail... I did try to install it on my other system..the one "not used for anything important" it has a older MB that I had to install a adaptech IDE controller so I could use 200 gig HD's and bigger on it.
I tried to install vista on the 2nd HD 120gigs all free space formated with NTFS
But it told me that drivers needed to boot the system could not be found and I was unsure if I could use the same xp drivers, but other users have said I can so I will give it a try when I get home tomarow. Thanks

">

Go ahead install Mandrake, that will be a good laugh you can't even write down a CD key you are going to have a nightmare with Mandrake. SuSE is eassier but still demands intelignce and experience.
Best option for you - get a MAC they are ok.
I would love to try out the Mac OS X but they just cost way to much ...

I did get a CD Key for vist buy signing up with a new E-mail address...
I have xp on my 2nd pc it s on a 200gig HD
I plan to install vista on the 2nd HD 120 gigs and I will install Mandrake on the 3rd HD it s just 60 gigs but thats way big for linux. I did look at linux Mandrake way back when it fit on 2cd's plus a 3rd for the apps. And I do plan to mess with it again.. Linux i s a lot like a old OS I use to have on my Tandy color computer it was called OS9 it was a version of unix , and it woked well on the Color computers 68B09E CPU buy Motorola ..
I was multi tasking on OS9 way back when a PC with a 80286 CPU 1 meg of ram and a very large 40meg HD was 5000.00$ But any way Vista comes first and if I have time I will get around to Mandrake. PS I have XP on my c drive I plan to put Vista onthe d: drive and linux Mandrake on the e: drive that should work in that order should it not?

"Daibidh" wrote in message

"Joe727" wrote in message
That number is a cold, hard, fact.
*Big Friendly Grin*
Oh, that much is certain. I'm just saying those of us who actually USE Macs on a regular basis know there are some things that just don't reflect the market share realities. Why did VHS win out over BetaMax? Sure VHS had longer available record times but Beta had a superior picture. Quantity over quality? Dumb luck or dumb public? I think marketing historians have over analyzed that one from every conceivable angle for years. So why the meteoric rise of Windows? Was OS/2 and the MacIntosh really gigantic pieces of crapola? Maybe one was poorly marketed and the other wholly overpriced? *laughing* Market share does not always reflect "better" which, by the way, is still a highly subjective frame of mind.
To say something is crap just because it doesn't embody seamless compatibility is silly. Those of us accustomed to mixed environments know the little ins and outs to the whole file format/macro mess. You do realize that's exactly how Microsoft intended it to be, right? You see it even within Windows versions of their software. Designed obsolescence; why else would we buy into the whole "endless upgrades" concept? This is why Microsoft was so resistant to the OpenDocument format.
We all know the competitive model always works out best in the long run. I am gratified to see the inroads the Linux operation system has made in recent years. The concept of choice is slowly returning to the PC consciousness. Apple's decision to cross the processor divide has brought increased performance, more competitive prices, and a greater sense of familiarity to the point where PC die-hards are actually contemplating the possibility. Linux and Mac have been keen to capitalize on function and form, respectively. Throw into the mix an ever increasing interest in open source standards and you might just have a critical mass situation where the "alternatives" actually gain an influential foot hold.
With the sizable resources of Microsoft and the innovative pressures of some actual competition, I foresee a bright future for consumers. Vista has the potential to combine the compatibility and familiarity of the Windows OS with the elegance of OSX and the perceived security of Unix/Linux. That would certainly shut the competition up. I've been pleased so far in this Beta but I'm thinking it really hasn't gone far enough... yet. I do have my fingers crossed.
Dave

What part of my business-oriented experience with a Mac don't you understand?
Joe

Except that the competition you refer to has an element of anti-MS that will never concede the points you make. It doesn't matter that I run OS/X and XP on my MacBook Pro. My son-in-law still calls me names for doing it.
"Daibidh" wrote in message

"Joe727" wrote in message
That number is a cold, hard, fact.
*Big Friendly Grin*
Oh, that much is certain. I'm just saying those of us who actually USE Macs on a regular basis know there are some things that just don't reflect the market share realities. Why did VHS win out over BetaMax? Sure VHS had longer available record times but Beta had a superior picture. Quantity over quality? Dumb luck or dumb public? I think marketing historians have over analyzed that one from every conceivable angle for years. So why the meteoric rise of Windows? Was OS/2 and the MacIntosh really gigantic pieces of crapola? Maybe one was poorly marketed and the other wholly overpriced? *laughing* Market share does not always reflect "better" which, by the way, is still a highly subjective frame of mind.
To say something is crap just because it doesn't embody seamless compatibility is silly. Those of us accustomed to mixed environments know the little ins and outs to the whole file format/macro mess. You do realize that's exactly how Microsoft intended it to be, right? You see it even within Windows versions of their software. Designed obsolescence; why else would we buy into the whole "endless upgrades" concept? This is why Microsoft was so resistant to the OpenDocument format.
We all know the competitive model always works out best in the long run. I am gratified to see the inroads the Linux operation system has made in recent years. The concept of choice is slowly returning to the PC consciousness. Apple's decision to cross the processor divide has brought increased performance, more competitive prices, and a greater sense of familiarity to the point where PC die-hards are actually contemplating the possibility. Linux and Mac have been keen to capitalize on function and form, respectively. Throw into the mix an ever increasing interest in open source standards and you might just have a critical mass situation where the "alternatives" actually gain an influential foot hold.
With the sizable resources of Microsoft and the innovative pressures of some actual competition, I foresee a bright future for consumers. Vista has the potential to combine the compatibility and familiarity of the Windows OS with the elegance of OSX and the perceived security of Unix/Linux. That would certainly shut the competition up. I've been pleased so far in this Beta but I'm thinking it really hasn't gone far enough... yet. I do have my fingers crossed.
Dave

Macs are wonderful toys. Does that make you feel better?
Joe
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Except that the competition you refer to has an element of anti-MS that will never concede the points you make. It doesn't matter that I run OS/X and XP on my MacBook Pro. My son-in-law still calls me names for doing it.
"Daibidh" wrote in message
"Joe727" wrote in message
That number is a cold, hard, fact.
*Big Friendly Grin*
Oh, that much is certain. I'm just saying those of us who actually USE Macs on a regular basis know there are some things that just don't reflect the market share realities. Why did VHS win out over BetaMax? Sure VHS had longer available record times but Beta had a superior picture. Quantity over quality? Dumb luck or dumb public? I think marketing historians have over analyzed that one from every conceivable angle for years. So why the meteoric rise of Windows? Was OS/2 and the MacIntosh really gigantic pieces of crapola? Maybe one was poorly marketed and the other wholly overpriced? *laughing* Market share does not always reflect "better" which, by the way, is still a highly subjective frame of mind.
To say something is crap just because it doesn't embody seamless compatibility is silly. Those of us accustomed to mixed environments know the little ins and outs to the whole file format/macro mess. You do realize that's exactly how Microsoft intended it to be, right? You see it even within Windows versions of their software. Designed obsolescence; why else would we buy into the whole "endless upgrades" concept? This is why Microsoft was so resistant to the OpenDocument format.
We all know the competitive model always works out best in the long run. I am gratified to see the inroads the Linux operation system has made in recent years. The concept of choice is slowly returning to the PC consciousness. Apple's decision to cross the processor divide has brought increased performance, more competitive prices, and a greater sense of familiarity to the point where PC die-hards are actually contemplating the possibility. Linux and Mac have been keen to capitalize on function and form, respectively. Throw into the mix an ever increasing interest in open source standards and you might just have a critical mass situation where the "alternatives" actually gain an influential foot hold.
With the sizable resources of Microsoft and the innovative pressures of some actual competition, I foresee a bright future for consumers. Vista has the potential to combine the compatibility and familiarity of the Windows OS with the elegance of OSX and the perceived security of Unix/Linux. That would certainly shut the competition up. I've been pleased so far in this Beta but I'm thinking it really hasn't gone far enough... yet. I do have my fingers crossed.
Dave

They are OK. But just OK. My MacBook Pro is interesting. Also runs very hot. I leave it on at night and in the morning I pour waffle batter over the keyboard and slam the lid down. Two minutes later I am surfing the net and eating breakfast.

That remindes me of the first P4's they where hot enough to fry eggs on.

Go ahead install Mandrake, that will be a good laugh you can't even write down a CD key you are going to have a nightmare with Mandrake. SuSE is eassier but still demands intelignce and experience.
Well your wrong I can wright down a Key man..But I had printed it out

not kning MS will not let you print out the key..why I do not know..
But as I stated I was out of it the other day...
But after Vista I am installing mandrake on the 3rd HD a 60 gig but I need to get Vista working first 1 OS at a Time :-) but thanks for your help .

"Daibidh" wrote in message

"Joe727" wrote in message
That number is a cold, hard, fact.
*Big Friendly Grin*
Oh, that much is certain. I'm just saying those of us who actually USE Macs on a regular basis know there are some things that just don't reflect the market share realities. Why did VHS win out over BetaMax? Sure VHS had longer available record times but Beta had a superior picture. Quantity over quality? Dumb luck or dumb public? I think marketing historians have over analyzed that one from every conceivable angle for years. So why the meteoric rise of Windows? Was OS/2 and the MacIntosh really gigantic pieces of crapola?

To extend your comparison of VHS vs Beta, the real competition was not between MS-DOS and OS/2 which was partly written by Microsoft and came along several years later, but between MS-DOS and CPM-86. Everyone that I knew who had an IBM PC said the same thing, that they were going to get CPM-86 because it was a better operating system, but that they were going to get it later because it cost over $200.00, and in the meantime they had gotten MS-DOS because it was only $60.00. None of those people, as far as I know, ever got CPM-86.
Interestigly, Microsoft had gotten MS-DOS from another Seattle software company who had created it by using a software tool to translate the cpm intel 8080 8 bit machine language into intel 16 bit machine language. Then they went in by hand and made the necessary changes to get it to work.
This resulted in the CPM copyright statement being in MS-DOS 2.0.
Todd

Dave

The MBP is no toy. XP runs faster on it than on any of my P4 machines. And thats both natively or under Parallels virtualization.
"Joe727" wrote in message

Macs are wonderful toys. Does that make you feel better?
Joe
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Except that the competition you refer to has an element of anti-MS that will never concede the points you make. It doesn't matter that I run OS/X and XP on my MacBook Pro. My son-in-law still calls me names for doing it.
"Daibidh" wrote in message
"Joe727" wrote in message
That number is a cold, hard, fact.
*Big Friendly Grin*
Oh, that much is certain. I'm just saying those of us who actually USE Macs on a regular basis know there are some things that just don't reflect the market share realities. Why did VHS win out over BetaMax? Sure VHS had longer available record times but Beta had a superior picture. Quantity over quality? Dumb luck or dumb public? I think marketing historians have over analyzed that one from every conceivable angle for years. So why the meteoric rise of Windows? Was OS/2 and the MacIntosh really gigantic pieces of crapola? Maybe one was poorly marketed and the other wholly overpriced? *laughing* Market share does not always reflect "better" which, by the way, is still a highly subjective frame of mind.
To say something is crap just because it doesn't embody seamless compatibility is silly. Those of us accustomed to mixed environments know the little ins and outs to the whole file format/macro mess. You do realize that's exactly how Microsoft intended it to be, right? You see it even within Windows versions of their software. Designed obsolescence; why else would we buy into the whole "endless upgrades" concept? This is why Microsoft was so resistant to the OpenDocument format.
We all know the competitive model always works out best in the long run. I am gratified to see the inroads the Linux operation system has made in recent years. The concept of choice is slowly returning to the PC consciousness. Apple's decision to cross the processor divide has brought increased performance, more competitive prices, and a greater sense of familiarity to the point where PC die-hards are actually contemplating the possibility. Linux and Mac have been keen to capitalize on function and form, respectively. Throw into the mix an ever increasing interest in open source standards and you might just have a critical mass situation where the "alternatives" actually gain an influential foot hold.
With the sizable resources of Microsoft and the innovative pressures of some actual competition, I foresee a bright future for consumers. Vista has the potential to combine the compatibility and familiarity of the Windows OS with the elegance of OSX and the perceived security of Unix/Linux. That would certainly shut the competition up. I've been pleased so far in this Beta but I'm thinking it really hasn't gone far enough... yet. I do have my fingers crossed.
Dave

"Joe727" wrote in message

What part of my business-oriented experience with a Mac don't you understand?

Funny, that's my question to you. Maybe I don't understand.. what is it that a PC does that Macs can't?
Dave

"Daibidh" wrote in message

"Joe727" wrote in message
What part of my business-oriented experience with a Mac don't you understand?
Funny, that's my question to you. Maybe I don't understand.. what is it that a PC does that Macs can't?
Dave

Run an MS Word document through Mac for Word and have it sent back to MS Word in a PC without it being screwed up. Clear enough?
Joe

"Joe727" wrote in message

Run an MS Word document through Mac for Word and have it sent back to MS Word in a PC without it being screwed up. Clear enough?

Crystal.
That's the basis of your argument? Yep. You're right. There is absolutely no way around that. BAA HAA HAA! You win.

"Daibidh" wrote in message

"Joe727" wrote in message
Run an MS Word document through Mac for Word and have it sent back to MS Word in a PC without it being screwed up. Clear enough?
Crystal.
That's the basis of your argument? Yep. You're right. There is absolutely no way around that. BAA HAA HAA! You win.

There is a way around it. Don't use Macs in a business envrionment.
Joe

Sign up for either MSDN (OS Level or Higher) or Microsoft Tech Net Plus.
"James" wrote in message

How do I get a key? the first time I did not print the screen the 2nd time I did print it but no key was printed ou just a yellow box ???? and now it tells me I have recive d the max keys allowed?
and all thi s after I cleand out a H D just for vista an d had to burn the dam dvd 4 times before it would work now I cant get a key to try it out#@!@#
ANd I have recive d no e-mails from ms witha key in it!
Yet another BLANK UP from Microsoft when will we learn?
Screw Microsoft I am going to install linux mandrake V10.1 on that HD I cleaned out...I dont have time to play there games I have wasted enough time all ready...
Wish I had $$ for a MAC then I could trash MS once and for all!!!!!